In my opinion, Genneva Gold is likely to be a fradulent company. Firstly, the returns does not corresponds with the risk. It seems to be a high return and low risk investment and that is not possible at all. Secondly, the business model of Genneva Gold seems to be unsustainable. Not much is said about how is the profits of the company being generated. Without being profitable, Genneva Gold will not be able to last long.
There were a lot of interesting insights and detailed analysis made by various parties that explains on why Genneva Gold seems to be a scam. The strange thing is that many still choose to believe that Genneva Gold is workable and not a scam. This is where I think that the greed has blinded them and they choose only to look at the good side of things instead stepping back and take a serious look at this investment. Unfortunately, this is also the very same reason why I think that the majority of people are not likely to do well when it comes to the stock market.
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my heart says this is another scam, it will attract greedy people who are lazy to work or take bisnes risks. the company itself hide a lot of information on their bisnes, directors info, licences, syariah compliance? from who? JAKIM malaysia? Ulama Spore? a lot more question on integrity, honesty.
ReplyDeletePlus this company does not have licence from Spore Commodity/Exchange or Msian authorities.
Hi,
ReplyDeletePeople by nature are greedy. So it's not surprising that scams can still be successful.
Kay
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI am an international physical gold trader that turn into a gold manufacturer. As a gold trader, I make very miserable profit: 0.1% to 0.2% average even the gold price is going up. But as a gold manufacturer, I make 5-8% nett.
I am looking for investors to expand my manufacturing of gold products. Anyone interested?
If you invest in
ReplyDeletegenneva gold, your maximum risk under the worst scenario is 20%, that is the premium over the market value against the potential return of 24% p.a. Can anyone say this is a high risk investment? If you buy a stock, you would risk 100% of your capital without any promise of any return both under the worst situation. Which do you choose?
Dear All,
ReplyDeletei have invested with genneva and now the have given me pysical gold. now i have managed pawn the gold in bank rakyat. What u guys think about this ?
I am investor of Genneva and they actually give me 99.99% real gold in return for the money. Investing in stock market, I have even lost 90% of my investment, here, I'm risking 20-25% of the money that I invest only and gold is an international commodity. The price of gold keeps going up since every country would convert their currency whenever the economy is not stable. The gold price has double in the past 10 years. So why not?
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteInvest in Physical Gold is now as easy as 123…..
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No matter what people say or write with a lot of apprehension and caution, Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd is still operating and in fact, growing from strength to strength.
ReplyDeleteHow I see Genneva Gold Investment… In a nutshell, it is actually a saving plan similar to placing your savings in Fixed Deposit. Whether the price of gold goes up or down, your capital is protected 100% with 1.5% return every month (for a tenure of 6 months); compared to FD which gives you only 2.85% PER YEAR.
More about Genneva Gold Savings PlanGenneva Gold Savings Plan, read: http://mygoldgoose.wordpress.com/about/
Cheers!
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ReplyDeleteI am an investor. I took the gold to UOB, Taka Jewellery Shop, Pawn Shop and finally 2nd hand gold shop. All of them certified that they are real gold. I increased my purchases after confirming the geniunity of the gold. I know in the worst scenario, I will lose 20%. which is much better than my unit trust and stock and shares. I
ReplyDeleteworse case scenerio, company wind up u get no money BUT you have the physical gold! unless it becomes a useless metal if not you will lose 20% of your money PROVIDED you sell your gold immediately. you can always keep it till the price goes up which the risk comes in. anyway if you are a true investor then u should know that there is nothing with no risk and only returns. nothing is free in this world. - 2cents worth
ReplyDeleteit is risky
ReplyDeleteHave u invested?
DeleteJust imagine, if one month have 30k sales, after 4 years they need to pay back about 30k interest per month just for existing customers. If no new customer buying, this company will not last more than 4 years. So this company is depend on the increasing of new customer. I think they will quit anytime if their statistic show customers are decreasing. The earlier join will get more benefit. So better do not put all your money there.
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteGold as much as other commodities, cannot give you passive income. You cannot get fix dividend by buying rice, sugar or salt. But how on earth can they do this? It is simple! Just see how much are they selling compare others (particularly www.nubex.com.my). For the same quality, weight, purity, they are charging something like 25% over spot vs 2.5% if you buy from Nubex. See the article they have about this "scam" at their blog. http://nubexblog.blogspot.com/2011/12/kenapa-masih-tak-reti.html (Bahasa).
Gold prices have rebounded after falling into a bearish trend this week due to dollar strength that increased investor appetite for the US dollar. Gold continue to remain intact and immediate delivery gold rose more than 1% to $1,556.80 gaining near 9% on year.
ReplyDeleteThanks
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genneva is under investigation by the central bank of malaysia, Bank Negara Malaysia, and this case is now on trial. Next hearing date on 1st & 2nd Mar 2012.
ReplyDeleteInstead of making baseless comments,i wonder those of u who make negative remarks about the company ever go to the company hq, just meet datuk Ng, he will clear your doubts, i believe.
ReplyDeletei agree with johnson. These people who make baseless comments,are either jealous over the company or i rather quote them as just PLAIN idoits
ReplyDeleteYou pay them 120% with your own money for something worth 100%.
ReplyDeleteThey pay you the return with your own money out of the 20% premium that you paid.
When you redeem it, they give you back your own money.
Why would I ever give someone my money to keep a percentage and pay me back?
Doh, doh, bodoh
Went to buy a brand new X6. Was told that i will need to put a deposit in order to book the car. Told the salesperson, can you accept my 100grams of 99.9 gold? No sir, we only accept credit card, cheque, bank gurantee and RM only.
ReplyDeleteTo those out there. please DO NOT talk nonsense, please understand the company procedure before you talk.
ReplyDeleteYes,you pay the company 120% for the 100% value. You gets 2% for 3 months and should you wish to stop, the company will pay you back the 120% .(This is call Future Buy Back Value)
I think it is time to just let this company continue to do what it is doing. I try my best to warn the people who invested with Geneva Gold that this is a ponzi scheme. Not only do they not heed my advice, they are angry with me. They think I am ignorant, jealous and nosy.
ReplyDeleteMAS thinks they have done their duty by placing the company under the Investors' Alert List.
CAD refuses to act becos no one has lost any money yet.
ACRA is not doing anything even though the directors are now facing criminal charges in Malaysia
IRAS is not investigating even though the company is selling physical gold without GST.
NOW....if no one cares and the investors do not want us to interfere......WHY SO KAYPOH.
I supported Anonymous advise to all the Gold Investors. This is likely a scam. They say they have got Bank negara approval and one of the director is ex-bank negara high level officer. You may want to investigate futher the connection.
ReplyDeleteFind out their paid up capital which they refused to review during one of the private investment talk. I say this is not difficult to findout. I have lost confidence to invest so I never bother to find out. For those who have invested , you may want to know how much?
The riak ia not just the 25% premium, it is time lapse between the payment & the delivery of gold.
I understand it has increased from 2 days to 7 days. If the owner decided to windup the operation, with the business volumn, you think how much money they can runaway and for those who have gain from the invetment do you think they will stop investing? Pls think twice before investing or at least do not put all your eggs in one basket. I hope thi message atleast has benefited someone.
I used to believe that the authorities are wrong in not stopping this company's operation. However, I realises now that there is very little they can do if no one who is financially involved in this investment makes a police report or make a complaint to the relevant authorities.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, since every investor is happy with their investment now, it is unlikely anyone will make this complaint.
These operators are just too smart for people like you and I to handle. Their profiling of their current and prospective customers have allowed them to operate till now without getting arrested. They will probably continue to thrive. The only thing we can do is to stay far far away from them.
after reading all the comments on this company and since many of us think tat it is a scam, why dun those who are being con or cheated of their hard earn $$ go to report to the authority or to the media. same as how sunshine empire get their retribution, many people lodge a complain. come on people, stand up for those who suffer silently.
ReplyDeleteplease follow the website closely and you can then gauge the status of all the goldcos that are being investigated by the central bank.
ReplyDeletewww.bnm.gov.my click Consumer Information click Financial Fraud Alert click Status of cases investigated.
just like sunshine empire , most of their stupid and greedy investors will defence their company no matter what . they would not want anything happens to the company if not all their money invested in their company will be gone ...just like sunshine empire end of the day all investor will suffer ;)
ReplyDeleteIf u r looking for gold investment.i have a better platform for more info visit http://setiaberjaya.blogspot.com
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ReplyDelete5 years ago people talked cock about genneva. 5 years later the same people still talk cock about it.
ReplyDeleteCome n join VGMC Investment 10 - 15% monthly divined..for more info pls check out in my blogspot
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ReplyDeleteim an investor of Genneva. May i ask for advise if i have signed the 3 months contract and if i wished to terminate and get back the capital. How can actually do it? Sell the gold?
Any idea where can i fetch a high price for selling the gold. As i need $$ urgently and cannot wait till 3 months later.
Thanks advance
Can i know how much does it cost to buy the 100gm lion head?
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou sign up as an investor in Genneva, I would advice you to keep the Gold first and stop asking people to buy from them.
Now the true fact is:
1) G company hold most of the Agents Comm for 3-6 months already. (only new agents still get their comm for the time being cause company need new sales)
2) They are holding on to Customer discount 2% and not able to pay back monthly.
3) They even stop people (agents and customers) to sell back their Gold back to them when their due date is up!!! (those marked up Gold) They need to Q till next year feb 2013 or longer... during the Q.... might have or not really important cause they had already stop paying those discount so why bored while you are in the Q for your sell back!!!
Base on all the above facts G company only come out some stupid reasons to entertainment their Agents by saying...
*Shortage of manpower, too many transactions so have to delay...
*Shortage of cash but we still have tons of marked up gold bar...
*You want then you have to wait, if you can't wait... find ways to prawn it..
The best part is...
4) They are doing lots of promotions like 2.2%-3% monthly discount for August 2012..
Now is like a bubble... only input no output... SUNSHINE!!!!!
BOOOMMM!!!!
We are a group of genneva singapore customers who are extremely disgruntled on their consistent delays and empty promises against the obligations they have promised to us.
ReplyDeleteOnly in numbers and in unity will we have a very good chance of getting our money back.
If you are in the similar position, please email us at GennevaComplainGroup@gmail.com asap and we can help you.
All correspondences will be treated with the strictest confidence.
The Genneva Complain Group
ReplyDeleteThey are asking me to extend my contact for six months which I feel that is too long. I trying to sell back the gold to them, however I am worry that if I can't get my payment after returning the gold. Then I will lose everything including my capital.
Please advise what should I do now?
My friend asked me to join Genneva investment plan so I went to Suruhanjaya Syarikat Malaysia(SSM) to check for their financial reports. The company previous name was Dimensi Sentosa and the latest report I could get was until Dec 2009. It is abnormal for not sending their financial reports to the SSM as long as the company is still active. Besides, every financial reports that the company sent to SSM show that the company is suffering losses and never made any profit from the business. So, how could they possibly pay such a high divident to their investor.
ReplyDeleteQuite a number of Geneva customers are now stuck with their gold and a number of them are at a loos of what to do as they worry when they will get their money back.
ReplyDeleteRather than waiting and queueing until 2013, you may consider some options.
If you know someone or friends in the situation and like to assist them, send email to :
thebullionsingapore@gmail.com
I think the Malasia Datoh have siphoned up all the moeny & gold. There is no money left to pay discount or sell back. Gold parking is actually swap your PAMP gold to Genneva gold(if you are the lucky few done much earlier). There is no gold returned to you after parking your gold more than 10 days ago. I think all our money has gone. Some of us also loss gold. CAD should come in this week.
ReplyDeleteKeep the physical gold until Gold Futures prices hit US$1835 then sell it for a profit at a Gold shop which will take a discount of 5%.
ReplyDeleteHow to avoid paying to all the investors? This is what they do now. The government is taking over now. The directors took their shares and run off. Can't get back your money? Ask the government. Not my problem.
ReplyDeleteI offer a solution and option for those looking to recoup their loses at the shortest time, probably in 3-4 months.
ReplyDeleteInvest in TEC INTERNATIONAL GOLD (TIG), an established gold mining co from UK. Currently, it operates in its Singapore office to cater to investors in the Asia Pacific regions.
For your info, a top Genneva GMC has just joined.
For more details, contact me Gary at hp:8188-6677.
The so-called "top Genneva GMC" is also a fraud! Asking agents to pawn their gold and buying more.
ReplyDeletechill everyone & look forward
ReplyDeleteTEC International also giving blank promises, TEC said every month 17th or 18th will get payment deposit to the customer bank account. Until now, 28th, I have yet received any payment. Email to them no reply, Call them they said person in charge on the line, will return the call asap, but no hear anything from them.
ReplyDeleteI never have been a big fan of junior gold mining stocks the risk is usually way greater than any reward.
ReplyDeleteThere is no such thing as no risk investment, the higher returns the higher the risk. I don't think you guys who invested in whatever companies don't know what you are aware of.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day, you are responsible for your own investment and outcome. Going about complaining only make you look like a kid.
Regards,
Ah Gao
Heard a lot of people got caught in this
ReplyDeleteGreat gold stock.
ReplyDeleteso many scams going on these days. People just want to cheat your money. Its a money game be it Genneva, or this TEC International Gold. Beware of this guy Gary as he has been introducing people into money game investment.
ReplyDeleteThis TEC international gold is another joker. A genneva agent brought us to a Clark Quay office to learn more about the investment opportunities.
ReplyDeleteThis guy called Keynes Lim Su Chong, gave us his name card, his title Relation Manager but cannot talk properly English. Introduce GSS to us last year, and pay a few months then stop paying. He closed the office and we try contacting him, and always either hang down the phone or ask us to email UK. Like a rat hiding in a hole.
I suspect TEC and genneva are in the same cahoot, jumping from 1 platform to another to cheat people money.
I got the lawyer to check on this guy, and he is doing Graphic and Printing business. In his acra, many close and open company registers, suspect he is evading coporate taxes. And he has 3 lawsuit against him. Should report him to IRAS and police.
I heard from a ex-genneva agent that alot of genneva agents went over TEC International Gold, and they were also scamming people using VGMC and other platforms by commission based referral, heard they got few hundred thousands of shares free.
ReplyDeleteHope these scammers get their justice.
Ya, it's true that I heard the relation manager Keynes is a loser. Talk big but when got problem you cannot hear his voice.
I am quite upset with TEC International Gold, Keynes Lim from Genneva said this is a established company in UK and tempt us into buying their GSS investment.
ReplyDeleteLike those who invested and only got a few months of dividend and stop paying, they promised in Jan 2014 saying they will pay physical gold in their official announcement was an empty promise even until today.
I investigated this Keynes Lim from the law firm, real name Lim Su Chong, NRIC S7272294I, stay at Punggol 615C #11-349. Currently has 2 registered companies
JIT SHENG GRAPHIC & PAPER MFG PTE. (200400512Z) LTD.
KEYNES EVOLVE PTE. LTD. (201217743H)
In total he has 4 lawsuits.
Guys be careful because he is a scammer and cheater, gang up with the rest of the Genneva agents to cheat our money.
Just happen to see this post. My friend was referred by Keynes Lim to invest into VGMC 3 years ago. Initially he made abit but realised all his invested money are stuck after their so-called IPO.
ReplyDelete3 years have passed and no news, recently VGMC reported to be officially a scam by London Capital Advisors, and its a massive scam.
And my friend said this Keynes guy is not answering his phone call or questions, and says everything don't know.
Beware of this scammer, he is also doing other gold and business. So be mindful when dealing with him.
Invest in TEC INTERNATIONAL GOLD (TIG), an established gold mining co from UK. Currently, it operates in its Singapore office to cater to investors in the Asia Pacific regions.
ReplyDeleteFor your info, my upline is a top Genneva GMC lady.
For more details, contact me Gary at HP 8188 6677 or Keynes Lim Su Chong at 8468 0159.
Regards,
Gary
HP:8188 6677
These 2 jokers really thick skin, scam people investment these Ponzi . Anyone have those photo should post it online and CSI more of their information including their group of scammers as well as the companies.
ReplyDeleteHi, the TEC International Gold Joker's details.
ReplyDeleteKeynes Lim Su Chong
http://i.imgur.com/9bpiR8N.gif
Facebook Account
https://www.facebook.com/keyneslimsc
https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-xfa1/t31.0-1/c283.83.1034.1034/s320x320/170082_141226195936086_7070654_o.jpg
His email address keyneslimsc@gmail.com
NRIC S7272294I
Office Registered Personal Address 615C Edgefield Plains #11-349
He is a Singaporean PR when last talked to him in 2011.
Cheers,
Johnny (1 of the victim from his Genneva referral)
Lim Su Chong..... you cheated so many people and living using commission (people's hard earned money) hiding in your nest. But your house location is also exposed by the public.
ReplyDeleteWe thought you stay condo, but you stay in HDB???? So you stay 615C Edgefield Plains #11-349? We will visit your house 1 day.
Regards,
Ng Wing Kee
Keynes Lim, the investor manager, when TEC International Gold got problem, always say "i don't know" or don't care.
ReplyDeleteEverything also dont know, ask me and my friend to email or call UK directly. Now he become so silent, that he think we forgotten what happened.
I only come to know him through a Genneva agent, and now i know they are simply playing pyramid game to earn quick cash.
TEC International Gold is owned by a UK perseon called Ejaz Nowas (Asia) or Ejaz Nowaz (UK). Apparently, he registered 2 names differently.
ReplyDeleteHe has other businesses in Singapore and Asia, so how he become related to these group of people from Genneva/VGMC is possibly coincidental.
The Genneva group of people roams around using different investment opportunities that looks too good to be true and start scamming around. This group of people includes the Pack of their heads, Sammi (Genneva Top GMC), Tommy and a few more other names.
While the gold businesses are not in good shape, TEC International Gold is also not responding to their investors recently or apparently slow.
We heard that Keynes Lim (real name Lim Su Chong), the Singapore manager have not been doing his investor relation role properly and has changed his phone number and has been avoiding investors. He is 1 person who talks loudly and think he knows everything, but the truth is he knows nothing and also speak from hearsay. This guy is wolf in a sheep clothing. His wife is a PRC (China), and converted to Singaporean and making use of relationship to do businesses in China.
http://www.allsingaporestuff.com/article/tec-international-gold-may-be-linked-other-ponzi-schemes
ReplyDeleteThe scammers are same group of people
ReplyDeletehttp://1-million-dollar-blog.com/genneva-gold-scam-explained/
Other investors and i did a check on Keynes Lim with lawyer, and fucking hell this guy must be washing money, evading taxes, doing illegal business. in total 18 companies.
ReplyDelete1
SOLUTION GRAPHIC PTE. LTD.
200308400W
LIVE COMPANY
DIRECTOR
15/05/2004
2
ADDED MARKETING PTE. LTD.
200310259W
LIVE COMPANY
DIRECTOR
21/02/2008
3
JIT SHENG GRAPHIC & PAPER MFG PTE. LTD.
200400512Z
LIVE COMPANY
DIRECTOR
22/03/2011
4
CTP LINK PTE. LTD.
200803590D
STRUCK OFF
DIRECTOR
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5
CTP LINK PTE. LTD.
200803590D
STRUCK OFF
SHAREHOLDER
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6
EINS EVOLVE (S) PTE. LTD.
200911314E
LIVE COMPANY
DIRECTOR
01/03/2011
7
E.M.UP ENTERPRISE
52807543L
TERMINATION
OWNER
-
8
GO LUCK TRADING
52848017X
TERMINATION
MANAGER
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9
GO LUCK TRADING
52848017X
TERMINATION
OWNER
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10
NATUREBEST HEALTH FOOD CENTRE
52862584E
TERMINATION
OWNER
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11
SUNVALLEY DESIGN AND PRINT
52864115L
CEASED
OWNER
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12
QUICK ARTIST COMMUNICATIONS
52926931K
TERMINATION
MANAGER
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13
QUICK ARTIST COMMUNICATIONS
52926931K
TERMINATION
OWNER
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14
ADEPT CONCEPT
52991680X
CEASED
OWNER
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15
IDI CONSULT
53145095C
CANCELLATION
OWNER
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16
ADDED MARKETING PTE. LTD.
200310259W
LIVE COMPANY
SHAREHOLDER
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17
EINS EVOLVE (S) PTE. LTD.
200911314E
LIVE COMPANY
SHAREHOLDER
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18
SOLUTION GRAPHIC PTE. LTD.
200308400W
LIVE COMPANY
SHAREHOLDER
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Wow! 18 records in ACRA from 1 person ! Either he is doing "BIG" business or cheating big times!
ReplyDeleteKeynes Lim keeps avoid calls or meet up. There are 2 animals that looks exactly like him. 1 is ostrich where it always hide his head in the sand, the other is tortise that hides it's head in the shell.
ReplyDeleteHe is working in 155 KALLANG WAY #04-05 Singapore 349244
End your financial worries.
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thanks
I know this guy! Keynes Lim, didn't know his full name is Lim Su Chong when he was staying around Hougang. And when he moved his house, he didn't say he is going Punggol. That was around year 2011.
ReplyDeleteDidn't know he is professional scammer. But it's true he when he say something is good, later flip prata say he didn't said so. Sounds like a scam artist.
you Genneva guys trying to be funny. Ng Wing Kee wouldn't attack Keynes Lim because they are the same gang and Malaysians who invested in Genneva, VGMC, TEC International Gold, Forex.
ReplyDeleteNg Wing Kee is Tommy, and Tommy is Ng Wing Kee, who is the VGMC Ambassador of Singapore. He has been keeping very quiet after he told us (the affected downline) to send him a form from cliquenetmail.com to David Mapley Canada, saying to provide information for shareholder meeting. Later downline realise its a scam, and made police report.
Tommy's downline is almost uncountable, you can imagine how many people he got to invest in this scam and causes people to loose so much $$.
This is Tommy Ng Wing Kee Twitter, aka Forex Trainer. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/339533091/nwk001.jpg
Atonous Phua
Did this guy sell you TEC INTERNATIONAL GOLD??? He is not answering my phone calls. He is also avoiding other investors.
ReplyDeletehttp://oi64.tinypic.com/35jb4uw.jpg Is this the person??
Hi,
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TEC INTERNATIONAL GOLD is listed in MAS Investor Alert List.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.sgpbusiness.com/company/Tec-International-Gold-Pte-Ltd
http://www.mas.gov.sg/IAL.aspx?sc_p=T
TEC International Gold Pte Ltd
8 Eu Tong Sen Street, #14-82, The Central, Singapore 059817
Website: http://www.tig-internationalgroup.com/
[Listed on 23 August 2016]
The Investor Relation Manager is Keynes Lim Su Chong for TEC. He is also a AXA Insurance agent. Sounds conflict of interest? Should report to MAS also.
Taking a gander at the most recent decade, the estimation of gold has expanded by 500% and the interest for this valuable metal hints at no decreasing sooner rather than later either.
ReplyDeleteira gold advisor